DEMOLITION OF DISC PERSONALITY PROFILE

DEMOLITION OF DISC PERSONALITY PROFILE
By James Sundquist

Response to Adam Mason's accusations regarding DISC Assessment and Carl Jung
(His letter is on page 15 below)

First let me remind Mr. Mason, Fellow Elders and Members of First Baptist Church of Houston, Texas, of these five Scriptures regarding telling the truth and the consequences for failing to heed them:


“These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him:”
Proverbs 6:16-19 - 


“A false witness shall not be unpunished, and [he that] speaketh lies shall perish.”  Proverbs 19:9 -

“But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”  Revelation 21:8 -

“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.”  Proverbs 1:7
 
“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.”    Colossians 2:8    
   
DEMOLITION OF DISC ASSESSMENT PRINCIPALITY

Christians by the host are seeking counsel from the ungodly

WILLIAM MOULON MARSTON, FOUNDER OF DISC BELIEFS, BEHAVIOR, AND UNHOLY ALLIANCES

Does any certified DISC person know this?  The Evangelical Free Church of America calls DISC and MBTI God's “Divine Design”, when there is nothing divine about DISC.  Even Marston who designed DISC would disavow any divinity in his DISC. For any Christian to call DISC “divine” is to dishonor the Lord and profane His Holy Name.   In fact, Christianity is the antithesis of DISC design.  Marston's whole profile is built on the emotions of people.  Christian behavior is based on fruit of the spirit.  We are created in God's image: Body, Soul and Spirit...three parts, not two, as the Apostle Paul clearly stated.  For Marston, there is no spirit, only the god of this world..  And Christians are supposed to obey this command:

"Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;”  2 Corinthians 10:5

This is found nowhere in Marston's life or his DISC.  Yes Christians leaders by the legion continue to exalt him and his DISC.  DISC should not be entitled software, rather spiritual malware virus. Do Christian leaders and pastor tell the DISC takers the following true story of the man who will help you find your true self and your personality profile? Can't help but wonder what the profile of William Marston would be were he ever to take DISC.  What mission in the church would he now be fit for according psychometric results of this profile?  Visit any DISC Provider website and the only hint of moral turpitude that should disqualify him from giving career or marriage counsel to any Christian is in his bio which states that he is “polyamorous”.  But note that  no DISC site would include these terms to describe William Marston's biography, which would rightly describe him: “reprobate character, adulterer, black-mailing his wife to have his lover move in, fornicator, cesspool of debauchery, depravity, orgies, promiscuity, racist, and devotee of eugenicist, population control, ultimate founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger”).  Margaret Sanger's movement paved the way for the genocide of tens of millions of pre-born babies and the Holocaust. John the Baptist rebuked Herod for wanting another woman who was not his wife, imagine what he would have said to Marston.  Marston completely deformed the role of gender in defiance of Jesus Christ himself.  And Christian pastors and counselors want to seek swinger Marston's counsel for marriage counseling?  Marston's non-Christian and anti-Christian worldview is the antithesis of the Apostle Paul's instructions for the role of women, the marriage bed being undefiled, his commandments on marriage in Ephesians 5:22-33.  Dare challenge a pastor or Christian counselor on the spiritual credentials or the credibility of DISC or its author, you will likely get this response:

    “You are not following a spirit of truth here – so I ask that you cease     and desist at     this time.”
Adam Mason, Licensed Minister of Counseling, Houston's First Baptist Church (Ted Cruz's church), Minister of Counseling Services, MAMFT,
LPC-S., ordained by Southern Baptist Church

Read Adam Mason's full response letter below about DISC and MBTI and see if you can detect his contradiction.  Read it two or three times if you need to in order to discover it.  Marston ….what a role model for Christians, let alone seeking his counsel to figure out your personality…what happens if people take his DISC than decide they want to model Marston instead of the Apostle Paul?  Imagine a client or member of a church has taken DISC and discovers he has the same profile as William Marston, and he says “I want to be like William”?  This is, of course, if the person administering DISC even tells client or church member about Marston.  Does the pastor tell the congregation, or the professor tell his students, or does the Christian employer tell the job applicant that DISC theory was only for “normal people”?  And that the test is not valid if your are not “normal”?Do these Christian leaders then segregate the normals vs. abnormal people?  Do they tell the abnormal group they should take Meyers-Briggs test instead of DISC, because Jung's personality research was on abnormal people? What if someone doesn't know if they are normal?  Who is the authority or what test do they take to find out?  Isn't this a form of prejudice that Christians should not be exercising if they believe God is not a respecter of persons?  This all assumes Marston or anyone really even knows what the definition of “normal” is.   Is the idea of who is normal vs. abnormal taught anywhere in Scripture?  Do any of these Christian leaders tell their brothers and sisters in Christ any of these revelations about Marston and DISC?  What is astonishing is that informing church denominations of Marston's moral behavior and antiChristian believes, they refuse correction, continue to promote DISC, delighting in their delusion. 

Some Christians might protest that DISC, administered to 10 million people a year, doesn't even have to be Christian to be valuable.  But this is not just Marston’s personal life…his whole philosophy and being a disciple of Sanger should disqualify him.  One could argue that Bill Gates the Founder of Microsoft is not a Christian so can’t we still use his software?  No, we can use it.  The vast difference is that Bill Gates is not trying to shepherd or counsel my soul, or save my marriage,  like Personality Profiling pretends to do.  And if Jung based MBTI or DISC temperament divination is perfectly acceptable to Christians, why stop there?  Why not use Ouija Boards, seances, palm reading, and Tarot Cards?  After all, Jung also practiced those magic arts too.  In fact, you Google search any psychic website making many of the same readings and promises for your life direction as DISC.  They also have personalized psychometric charts.  The following excerpts provide documentation and proof of DISC founder Marston's lifestyle behavior and philosophy.

QUOTES FROM ARTICLES ABOUT WILLIAM MOULTON MARSTON:

The adults (William Marston and his female sex partners) practiced bondage or, as Huntley put it, “love binding.” In the comics, a theme that recurs again and again is Wonder Woman being tied up, then breaking free. “My man-made bonds have snapped!” she cries. “My woman’s power returns again!”  Parentheses mine

SOURCE: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/11/03/wonder-woman-s-creation-story-is-wilder-than-you-could-ever-imagine.html

As Marston once put it, “Frankly, Wonder Woman is psychological propaganda for the new type of woman who, I believe, should rule the world.”

Marston was a man of a thousand lives and a thousand lies. “Olive Richard” was the pen name of Olive Byrne, and she hadn’t gone to visit Marston—she lived with him. She was also the niece of Margaret Sanger, one of the most important feminists of the 20th century. In 1916, Sanger and her sister, Ethel Byrne, Olive Byrne’s mother, had opened the first birth-control clinic in the United States. They were both arrested for the illegal distribution of contraception.

When Marston and Byrne fell in love, he gave Holloway a choice: either Byrne could live with them, or he would leave her. Byrne moved in...
Byrne’s sons didn’t find out that Marston was their father until 1963—when Holloway finally admitted it—and only after she extracted a promise that no one would raise the subject ever again...But “the secret of woman’s allure,” he (Marston) told Gaines, is that “women enjoy submission—being bound.”

SOURCE:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/origin-story-wonder-woman-180952710/#xc8HeCL874ZQzSXQ.99

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Wonder Woman’s origin story comes straight out of feminist utopian fiction. In the nineteenth century, suffragists, following the work of anthropologists, believed that something like the Amazons of Greek myth had once existed, a matriarchy that predated the rise of patriarchy. “The period of woman’s supremacy lasted through many centuries,” Elizabeth Cady Stanton wrote in 1891.

It’s that, in creating Wonder Woman, William Moulton Marston was profoundly influenced by early-twentieth-century suffragists, feminists, and birth-control advocates and that, shockingly, Wonder Woman was inspired by Margaret Sanger, who, hidden from the world, was a member of Marston’s family.

Sanger and Byrne founded what later became Planned Parenthood.

Marston was fired from American University, after he was arrested for fraud, in connection with some business dealings. (All the charges were later dropped.) He next taught at Tufts, where, in 1925, he fell in love with one of his students: Ethel Byrne’s daughter Olive.

Beginning in 1925, Marston, Holloway, Byrne, and a librarian named Marjorie Wilkes Huntley, whom Marston had met during the war, attended regular meetings at the Boston apartment of Marston’s aunt, Carolyn Keatley. Keatley believed in the teachings contained in a book called “The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ,” by a preacher named Levi H. Dowling. She thought that she was living in the dawn of the Age of Aquarius, the beginning of a new astrological age, an age of love: the New Age. Minutes for the meetings held at Keatley’s apartment describe a sexual “clinic,” involving Love Leaders, Mistresses (or Mothers), and Love Girls. A Love Leader, a Mistress, and their Love Girl form a Love Unit, a perfect constellation. There is much in the minutes about sex itself; e.g., “During the act of intercourse between the male and his Mistress, the male’s love organ stimulates the inner love organs of the Mistress, and not the external love organs,” but “if anyone wishes to develop the consciousness of submission, he or she must keep the sexual orgasm in check, and thus permit the nervous energy to flow freely and uninterruptedly into the external genital organs.” There is also much in the minutes about Marston’s theory of dominance and submission; females, “in their relation to males, expose their bodies and use various legitimate methods of the Love sphere to create in males submission to them, the women mistresses or Love leaders, in order that they, the Mistresses, may submit in passion to the males.”

In 1926, Olive Byrne, then twenty-two, moved in with Marston and Holloway; they lived as a threesome, “with love making for all,” as Holloway later said.

The scandal of Marston’s family arrangements, which, inevitably, became known to his close colleagues, cost him his academic career....Marston’s interests in deception, sex, and emotion fed a long-standing interest in film.

SOURCE:
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/09/22/last-amazon

Marston, who was a famous psychologist, made up Wonder Woman in 1941. He was interested in the women's suffrage movement and in Margaret Sanger, the birth control and women's rights activist — who was also his mistress's aunt.
A feminist icon, Wonder Woman was an Amazon who forced people to tell the truth with her magic lasso. She was a controversial figure in the 1940s because of her overt sexuality and her link to bondage. Her costume was inspired by Marston's interest in erotic pin-up art.
SOURCE:
http://www.npr.org/2014/10/27/359078315/the-man-behind-wonder-woman-was-inspired-by-both-suffragists-and-centerfolds
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She discovered that in creating Wonder Woman, Marston was profoundly influenced by early twentieth century suffragists, feminists, and birth control advocates, including Margaret Sanger, who was secretly a member of his family.

In 1925, while teaching at Tufts, Marston fell in love with one of his students, Olive Byrne: Ethel Byrne’s daughter and Margaret Sanger’s niece.
In 1926, Olive Byrne moved in with Marston and Hollaway; they lived as a threesome, with, in Holloway’s words, “love-making for all.”
SOURCE:
https://sangerpapers.wordpress.com/2015/07/01/margaret-sanger-the-real-wonder-woman/


William Moulton Marston, the inventor of Wonder Woman, would have loved that cover. He believed women were superior to men and should run the world—and would do so in, oh, about a thousand years.

Elizabeth Holloway (we have her to thank for “Suffering Sappho,” “Great Hera,” and other Amazonian expostulations), as well as from his former student Olive Byrne, with whom he and Holloway lived in a permanent ménage à trois that produced four children—two from each woman.

Marston’s fascinating life and odd psyche, in which the liberation of women somehow got all mixed up with bondage and spanking.

His 1928 tome, Emotions of Normal People, defended “abnormal” sexuality—homosexuality, fetishism, sadomasochism, and so on—as not only normal but fixed in the nervous system.

SOURCE:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/11/wonder-womans-kinky-feminist-roots/380788/

The Free-Love Experiment That Created Wonder Woman
The polyamorous "sex cult" conceived by the comics' founder wasn't exactly feminist, but it was built on women-empowering, pro-queer ideals.

Marston's racism, for example, should be evident to anyone who has read his comics—though the discussion of his attitudes towards black defendants during his lie-detector work (he invented the device) is especially painful. Similarly, the biggest secret in Wonder Woman's history has been common knowledge for some time; Marston was a polyamorist, who had children both by his wife, Elizabeth Holloway, and by his live-in lover and former graduate student, Olive Byrne. Many of the details of this relationship, though, are new, and riveting.

Further, Huntley, Byrne, Holloway, and Marston all participated in what Lepore describes as a "sex cult" in 1925-26 at the home of Marston's aunt Carolyn.  Participants celebrated female sexual power, dominance, submission and love by forming “Love Units” consisting of multiple partners, including Love Girls who "do not … practice … concealment of the love organs" (translated from New Age, that means they didn't wear clothes.

Wonder Woman was born out of "feminist utopia" and "the struggle for women's rights." But Marston's vision of feminist utopia—complete with love leaders, dominance, and bondage—doesn't necessarily look like the feminist utopia most people imagine today. Marston—and Sanger too, according to Lepore—believed that women were purer and better than men.

SOURCE:
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/10/wonder-womans-feminism/381579/
    Marston’s peculiar interest in Wonder Woman’s bondage experiences.

SOURCE:
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/dec/28/secret-history-wonder-woman-jill-lepore-observer-review


    But Marston and Holloway were enamoured of the era’s ideas about free     love.

SOURCE:
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/dec/05/wonder-woman-the-feminist

Berlatsky offers a thoroughly engaging discussion of Marston’s ideas and theories about gender and sexuality. He combs the verbal and visual texts to show how Marston and Peter conveyed their unique notions of liberation through bondage, submission, and the glorification of lesbian sexuality while simultaneously linking these ideas to feminism and freedom.

SOURCE: http://www.glreview.org/article/wonder-womans-hidden-agenda/









PROMOTERS OF DISC (partial list example clients):

http://thomrainer.com/2013/04/five-things-church-members-want-in-a-church-bulletin/

TONY ROBBINS
EVANGELICAL FREE CHURCH OF AMERICA
SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION
ASSEMBLIES OF GOD
WESTERN SEMINARY
DAVE RAMSEY
TONY ROBBINS
FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH OF HOUSTON (TED CRUZ CHURCH)

DISC was developed by Marston, I discuss him in an article I wrote on Rick Warren:

William Marston is known for his Wonder Woman comic books in which he promote male bondage....a real good root system for Lead Like Jesus!

Throughout his life time he championed women's causes. Writing in 'The American Scholar' Marston said:

"Not even girls want to be girls so long as our female archetype lacks force, strength and power."known for his Wonder Woman comic books in which he promote male bondage....a real good root system for Lead Like Jesus!

Throughout his life time he championed women's causes. Writing in 'The American Scholar' Marston said:

"Not even girls want to be girls so long as our female archetype lacks force, strength and power.”

“Not wanting to be girls, they don't want to be tender, submissive, peace-loving as good women are. Women's strong qualities have become despised because of their weakness. The obvious remedy is to create a feminine character with all the strength of Superman plus all the allure of a good and beautiful woman."~ William Moulton Marston, in The American Scholar (1943

And where do you suppose Marston got the concept of “archetype”?  You guessed it:  CARL JUNG

Adam Mason, a pastor at Ted Cruz's church that promotes and conducts DISC for their PLACE Program and for counseling said that it was not true that DISC was rooted in Jung.  So I wrote a letter to Dr. Jill Lepore, one of the foremost scholars in the world at Harvard University, where Marston once taught in the last century, and author of a book on William Marston, the founder of DISC, to verify that Jung had a profound influence on both Marston's DISC as well as his development of his Wonder Woman comic book character.  Her research began as a project to uncover the history of Planned Parenthood.  Here is that exchange:

January 22, 2016

Dear Mr. Sundquist,

Yes, Marston was certainly influenced by Jung. There's frankly a lot of Jung in Wonder Woman, too. I can't point to a particular source for that but, honestly, you couldn't get a PhD in psychology in 1921 and practice in the field until 1947 and not have been intimately acquainted with his writing. Best of luck with your project on DISC.

J. Lepore
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Jill Lepore | David Woods Kemper '41 Professor of American History and Harvard College Professor | Harvard University | scholar.harvard.edu/jlepore
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On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 8:17 AM, James Sundquist ‪<rock.salt@verizon.net>‬ wrote:

Dear Jill,

I am so grateful for having discovered your history and book on William Marston.

I am studying the history of his DISC Assessment Personality Profiler.  I have a question for you.

As you know, Meyers-Briggs (MBTI) is fully rooted in Carl Jung’s Personality Theory.  Jung is not mentioned in any history on DISC I could find.

But it appears that Marston may have used or at least mirrored Jung’s archetype personality theory and his animus/anima component in developing his Wonder Woman character.

Might you happen to know, or know who might know?  Did Marston write about Jung?

I look forward to your response.

Thank you again.

Sincerely,

James Sundquist

This corroboration by Dr. Jill Lemore makes sense because it is reasonable to ask: “Well who came first, Jung or Marston?”  ANSWER: Jung...kind of like Socrates preceded Plato, so that Socrates was the mentor.   Marston was like a sponge saturated with Jungian water, then have people have us believe that DISC bore no resemblance to Jung's Personality Typing.  Marston possessed the Ebola Virus of Jung's archetyping, and then have the audacity to proclaim Marston's DISC has no such disease.   This is also confirmed by when Jung published his book on Psychological types vs. when Marston published his works on types.  Jung's work was first published the original German language edition, Psychologische Typen, by Rascher Verlag, Zurich, in 1921.  Marston's work "The Emotions of Normal People," was published in 1928, in the United States.  How bizarre is that Marston would have the gall to tell us what “normal” is, let alone that Christians would be interested in his version of normal, given his lifestyle was any thing but normal!  And even if Marston's DISC had nothing to do with Jung, as Adam Mason, Minister of Counseling at First Baptist Church of Houston insists, it is still rooted in paganism, male bondage, astrology, and many other false teachings, as even his own letter proves..  It is still sorcery and temperament divination or magic arts condemned in Scripture.  But the fact is, Marston's DISC does mimic and mirror Jung's personality typology and depth psychology animus and anima male/female archetypes.  Jung's typology wasn't the only thing Marston mimicked, his morals and infidelity also mirrored Jung.

Psychotherapy counseling does NOT start with the fear of the Lord, which is the beginning of wisdom, so without this righteous beginning, nothing else built upon it will succeed or be blessed by the Lord.




All of the churches that conduct MBTI or DISC should take heed of these Scriptures:

“Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.”  Psalms 1:1

“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from
the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;”  1 Timothy 4:1

“And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.”  Ephesians 5:11

“Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.”  Revelation 9:21

“But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary
to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.”  Galatians 1:8

"Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;” II Corinthians 10:5

“Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things [are] honest, whatsoever things [are] just, whatsoever things [are] pure, whatsoever things [are] lovely, whatsoever things [are] of good report; if [there be] any virtue, and if [there be] any praise, think on these things.”  Philemon 4:8

“If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.”  2 John 1:10-11

In conclusion, Christians who are certified and promote DISC and a host of other personality tests are effectively teaching that all Scripture is insufficient for training in righteousness, counsel, and serving the Lord.  You need personality profiles and psychotherapy to be transformed, get connected, make disciples, plant churches, and obtain authentic leadership. And “the steps of a righteous man are partly ordered by the Lord.”   You need personality divination profiles and assessments to save your marriage, select your career, become spiritual healthy, fulfill your vision and spiritual formation, find your spiritual direction and ministry, and grow your church and multiply.  But to get there, you must pay money (simony) to ultimately serve the Lord, something unavailable to the church for nineteen hundred years.   OR is there another way, The Way, for how to obtain your spiritual transformation direction and sanctification?:

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.”  II Timothy 3:16-17

Consider giving the money you spent on DISC to spread the Gospel and minister to the saints.  Instead of focusing on what you or your church can purchase, such as DISC, focus on who purchased you.  So by now, I am sure many of you are wondering if your church or denomination is conducting or promoting DISC Inventory Personality Profiles.  Well to find out, simply search Google. 

ADDITIONAL COUNSELING RESOURCES BASED ON SCRIPTURE:

And if you have even the slightest doubt that SHAPE or DISC is based on Jung, here is proof from their own people:
https://www.discinsights.com/disc-history#.VfwmPXve_20

DISCARD DISC
http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/discarddisc13_5.html

http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/hard_cases.html
(January 2016 Newsletter)
http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/e-books/ABC-webbk.pdf

http://sonquest.blogspot.com/2005/07/ken-blanchard-disc-he-who-is-not-from.html?m=1

http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/management/DISC.htm

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dream-giver.htm
Re Jung and Philemon,

Though it is true that Jung drew from many influences, including Hippocrates, his personality theory was drawn primarily from a spirit-guide (demon) he named Philemon.  This is not my imagination, but Jung's own words and confirmed by the Jung Institute in Switzerland:

During Jung’s traumatic breakdown, on the brink of suicide “Philemon” became his “spirit guide.” Jung says,

“Philemon represented a force which was not myself. . . . It was he who taught me psychic objectivity, the reality of the psyche.”

But would this quote of Jung  prove that Philemon is the source of is Personality Type Theory?:  YES:

“[Philemon] was simply a superior knowledge, and he taught me psychological objectivity and the actuality of the soul. He formulated and expressed everything which I had never thought.” Carl Jung
http://philemonfoundation.org/about-philemon/who-is-philemon/

along with this Jung quote:

"Philemon and other figures of my fantasies brought home to me the crucial insight that there are things in the psyche which I do not produce, but which produce themselves and have their own life. Philemon represented a force that was not myself. In my fantasies I held conversations with him, and he said things which I had not consciously thought. [...] Psychologically, Philemon represented superior insight.”

So in spite of Adam Mason's accusations that I am not telling the truth (he should know better, given his training in Psychology), Jung did not get his Personality Temperament Theory from Hippocrates which he says was the basis of DISC as he claims, but Philemon.  Then in the very next sentence he says “DISC is not rooted in Jung.”  Does anyone see the total contradiction.....then tells me I am not telling the truth and appeals to me to desist from promoting this.   But I can not cease and desist, or I would be the false teacher.  Mr. Mason loves to cite names of sources, but without the citation.  I provide the original primary source with the citation. 
END

From: Adam Mason <Adam.Mason@houstonsfirst.org>
Subject: RE: 12 Questions about your PLACE, MBTI, DISC
Date: January 20, 2016 at 3:19:03 PM EST
To: James Sundquist <rock.salt@verizon.net>

James,

I did a quick review of your sources, but I am mostly operating on memory here. As noted in the DISC Insights article(which has its own errors), the DISC profile finds in roots in Hippocrates’ (father of modern medicine, source of Hippocratic oath) correlation of the four humors (main body fluids: blood, yellow bile, black bile, phlegm) of the human body to four distinct temperaments (sanguine, choleric, melancholy, and phlegmatic).  Jung developed his model (which led to MBTI) from studying Hippocrates’ Four Humors or Temperaments (which is the basis of the DISC).

I share your concerns about Jung, but DISC is not rooted in Jung.
You are not following a spirit of truth here – so I ask that you cease and desist at this time.

Grace,

Adam

















From: James Sundquist [mailto:rock.salt@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 12:22 PM
To: Adam Mason
Subject: 12 Questions about your PLACE, MBTI, DISC

Dear Adam,

Thank you for your prompt reply and clarification re PLACE and MBTI…I assume all of your church members take?

I have twelve crucial questions for you re MBTI and DISC which I hope you are able to answer.  So you don't have to write much, mostly a simple yes or no answer will suffice.  Comment further if you care to.

1.  Are those of you trained and certified in MBTI or DISC told that the foundation and main tap root of DISC is Carl Jung?
2.  Are your subscribers or user who take profile told about Jung in 1. above?
3.  Are job applicants or church members told that Jung obtained his Personality Temperament Profiling from a Spirit Guide named Philemon?
4. If so, are they shown a picture of this spirit-guide that Jung himself drew before they take the test? (I have a picture of it if you would like to see it).
5.  Do you tell them Jung's view of Christ and why he totally opposed the Orthodox view of Christ before they take the test?  Here is just one of his statements:
"Slowly I came to understand that this communion had been a fatal experience for me. It had proved hollow; more than that, it had proved to be a total loss.
 I knew that I would never again be able to participate in this ceremony.
"Why, that is not religion at all," I thought. "It is the absence of God; the church is a place I should not go to. It is not life which is there, but death."
C. G. Jung. Memories, Dreams, Reflections, ed. by Aniela Jaffe, trans. by Richard and Clara Win

6.  Since Jung (the foundation of DISC) obtained his Temperament Profiling by divination via a Spirit Guide named Philemon, do you warn your job applicants or clients what the Bible says about Spirit Guides?  It calls them familiar spirits and mediums.
7.  Do you give members, or even non-members these Scriptures on Spirit Guides before they take the MBTI or DISC test?:

8.  Question: "What are spirit guides? Should Christians consult spirit guides or obtain counsel from or practice what was obtained from a third party spirit-guide?"

9.  Do you give members these Scriptures on Spirit Guides before they take the MBTI or DISC test? (assuming your job applicants take the tests):

Leviticus 20:27 (familiar spirits), Second Corinthians 11:14–15 says, “Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness.” Leviticus 19:31 says, “Give no regard to mediums and familiar spirits; do not seek after them, to be defiled by them.” Deuteronomy 18:11–12 says that those who consult with familiar spirits are an abomination to God. In 1 Chronicles 10:13: King Saul received a death sentence from God because he “asked counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it; and enquired not of the Lord.”  The seeds of Tares are sown by Satan as Christ tells us.  1 John 4:1, “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.”
A good Christian book on Spirit Guides:
http://www.christianbook.com/the-facts-on-spirit-guides-ebook/john-ankerberg/9781937136109/pd/19084EB?event=AFF&p=1011693&

*****


10.  Are you familiar with the article by Dr. Pittenger on MBTI regarding evaluation and measuring  MBTI tests scores (this is not on DISC, put points out similar flaws)?:

https://www.recruiter.com/i/critique-of-the-myers-briggs-type-indicator-critique/

11.  Did you know that Personality Profiling Testing is compulsory for Rick Warren's SHAPE (based on Jung) for Church Members (301 Class)?
I did not see SHAPE on your site.

I encourage you to view and read this root system of Jung that I document in SHAPE, because it also applies to DISC:
In is widely known that Inversion/Extraversion Personality Theory in Psychology originated with Jung:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraversion_and_introversion

I document that the Introvert/Extrovert dialectic originated with Carl Jung:

PSYCHOLOGY: RICK WARREN'S SHAPE PERSONALITY PROFILING BASED ON CARL JUNG:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qW6aroPRx8


And

RICK WARREN'S SHAPE PERSONALITY TEMPERAMENT PROFILING VS. SCRIPTURE
Chapter 11 of Who's Driving the Purpose Driven Church
Journal of Biblical Apologetics (Fall 2007) and The Conservative Theological Journal (Aug 2005 and Dec 2005). 


DISC was developed by Marston, I discuss him in an article I wrote on Rick Warren:
William Marston is known for his Wonder Woman comic books in which he promote male bondage....a real good root system for Lead Like Jesus!

Throughout his life time he championed women's causes. Writing in 'The American Scholar' Marston said:

"Not even girls want to be girls so long as our female archetype lacks force, strength and power."known for his Wonder Woman comic books in which he promote male bondage....a real good root system for Lead Like Jesus!

Throughout his life time he championed women's causes. Writing in 'The American Scholar' Marston said:

"Not even girls want to be girls so long as our female archetype lacks force, strength and power.”

And where do you suppose Marston got the concept of “archetype”?  You guessed it:  CARL JUNG

 “Not wanting to be girls, they don't want to be tender, submissive, peace-loving as good women are. Women's strong qualities have become despised because of their weakness. The obvious remedy is to create a feminine character with all the strength of Superman plus all the allure of a good and beautiful woman."
William Moulton Marston, in The American Scholar (1943)

And if you have even the slightest doubt that SHAPE or DISC is based on Jung, here is proof from their own people:

https://www.discinsights.com/disc-history#.VqPQ6TakYeJ


12.  Are you aware of this article on it by Martin Bobgan?:

DISCARD DISC
http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/discarddisc13_5.html

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There are a few more important links on Jung and Personality Temperament Divination:

FOUR TEMPERAMENTS, ASTROLOGY & PERSONALITY TESTING

http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/e-books/4temp-ebk.pdf

This gives you more comprehensive history of Personality Theory and Testing, but also goes into depth on Carl Jung and MBTI


Here are two links explaining the Biblical and Christian problems with his own philosophy in general, but also specifically his Personality Theory.

http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/st_simons/arm03.htm
and

http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/e-books/MPH-ebk.pdf

And here is an article on SPIRITUAL GIFTS INVENTORY:
http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/sgifts84.html

I look forward to your response and answers to the above questions!
Sincerely in Christ,

James Sundquist
http://www.eaglemasterworksproductions.com